And It Goes On

Whew! Turns out the lady I'm debating on Facebook is a COP! Take a gander at some of these exchanges.

This is what started the whole thing. Me:  "I posted a comment here yesterday and I guess the original author didn't like it and removed it. Some people won't understand this but, If everyone that was legally able to, carried a personal firearm on them at all times, we could stop incidents such as the Colorado tragedy. Take some lessons, practice and start doing your share to make society safe once again".

Much Later and several volleys of discourse we get to these nuggets.

Me:  "Since there is NO WAY to forecast a persons future acts we should place bans on constitutionally guaranteed actions? Thousands of people a year are killed in, with and by cars. Not constitutional items or guarantees yet you don't call for bans on them? I don't know you from Eve but I would gladly put put my life on the line for you. Could I expect the same? As the saying goes, when your life depends on seconds, the police are just minutes away."

She:  " As long as they have conceal and carry they should have to carry a million dollar liability policy that way if they accidentally shoot somebody their insurance company will have to handle it. They have a quote that fits perfectly, "With great power comes great responsibility." Also I have to carry insurance on my car whats any different according to you. Cars are the same as guns is that not what you just said?"


She: "Weather I'm Seconds or minutes away I have a job and a passion as a peace officer to serve and protect my fellow man and woman and that includes yourself if you are ever in a situation where you need protecting, no matter how much you ridicule my fellow brothers and sisters"


Me:   "NO, guns are not the same as cars. There is NO constitutional right to own or operate a car. We have a God given, government recognised right to bear arms. And for the record I do not ridicule Cops. I state facts,like The Supreme Court has ruled that the police have no duty to protect. That's them not me. May god protect you on your job and keep you safe."


It makes me tired just reading her labored pseudo points with no reason or facts.

Another Chief Chat

This morning I left a message for the police Chief to call me regarding the conversation we had over open carry and left the State statute number that covers it. He called me back pronto quick and agreed that Missouri Revised Statute 21.750.2 gave us the right to open carry but said that 571.010 to 571.070 gave them the right  to restrict carry of weapons. 571 covers a lot of things including concealed carry but I found  nothing that would ban open carry. The only thing they could make a stretch with is one subsection bans "exhibiting". I believe "exhibiting" usually means displaying a weapon in a threatening manner. Here is his fall back. He is going to consult with the city attorney so I one upped him and sent an email to the State Attorney General for official clarification of this matter. Well see what falls from this tree.

A Chat With The Chief

Last night Cherry Pie and I went to the local annual shindig call Waterfest. While I was gimping and she was strolling we ran into the Chief Of Police. I asked him about open carry in our town. I knew the city ordinance and knew (or thought I did) the State pre-emption law. But I asked anyway just to get it from the horses mouth. He said it was allowed BUT if they started receiving complaints and it it became more common then THEY would pass an ordinance banning open carry. To say I was stunned was an understatement. If we have a right and we exercise that right then they will ban it! If we talk to much would they ban speech? I wonder if he listened to what he was saying.
As it turns out we both were in the dark According to Missouri Revised Statutes of 2011 the whole pre emption thing has gone bye-bye.

2. No county, city, town, village, municipality, or other political subdivision of this state shall adopt any order, ordinance or regulation concerning in any way the sale, purchase, purchase delay, transfer, ownership, use, keeping, possession, bearing, transportation, licensing, permit, registration, taxation other than sales and compensating use taxes or other controls on firearms, components, ammunition, and supplies except as provided in subsection 3 of this section.

So, it seems on these hotter than hell days we seem to be having every day I really don't need to have a cover shirt on. I can dress as usual or for the weather and carry as I see fit.
Now should I open carry, not goading or baiting the cops, and wait for that day when a police office detains me for exercising my right and the get hold of the States Attorney General and file a complaint aginst the Police department and the city or should I be the nice guy and send this info to the Police Chief?
I see intesting days ahead in our little hamlet.

Open Carry for All

I haven't done any postings for the last coupla days as I haven't seen anything that really floated my boat. Obama did this and Obama did that. The stock market did this and the stock market did that. So what! I'm still unemployed along with about a jillion other folks and 4 or 5 million more join us every month. Real Estate is cheap but I can't afford to get out of my old house cause no one can afford to buy my old house. Hey, at least food's gettin' cheaper but gas is gettin' higher. Whew! Enough of that crap!
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It's mowing day tomorrow and it's RAINING again. Oh, well. I'll go up to my Dads' place and do some painting and try get my mower through the jungle on Wednesday, maybe.
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I shot my little .45 last week and it had several failure to feed malf's. Tap, Tap, Rack, Boom. Several times. I brought it home disassembled tha' darn thing, cleaned everthing, lubed all the needed parts and then unloaded both the mags and let the springs relax for a few days. I've been carrying the XD 45 Tactical for the time being. I'll try the little one out this week and see if any thing improved. One mag is a Chip Mcormick and the other is a Novak. Never had any probs of any sort with this gun so I'm hoping it was just a little dry from all the carrying it gets. I'll have to keep an eye on this.
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I just assembled the shot gun I've been working on. It sure looks purty to me. Stealth gray Dura Coat, Ebony stained forend and a black Pachymar pistol grip. It sure is sharp.
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Here's a little good news... A Federal Judge has ruled that cops can't stop someone from open carry of a firearm. Let's see how long that takes to get around to all the towns that are illegally preempting states law. Just in my area I can think Of North Kansas City and a couple of others that deny the right to open carry. I need to check the municipal ordinances here in my humble little burg as I have heard some plain STUPID stories about how our PD handles open carry(which is legal in Missouri). Check out opencarry.org in the forum section for some interesting stories about open carry. We'll see how that plays with Missouri's compromise. In order to get the concealed carry bill passed they had to add the provision that if a business didn't want someone to carry concealed in their store all they had to do was post a sign on the front door stating "NO firearms Allowed". Some have stretched it by having a sign that states "NO Weapons Allowed" Maybe that's because Missouri's CCL law is really a CCW law. Concealed Carry Weapon law, Aha! My son lives in Virginia Beach, Virginia. The moment he turned 21 he applied for his CCL. Later, the local PD got in trouble for harassing a man that was open carrying (legal by state law). He contacted the States Attorney General and he contacted the Mayor and Police Chief and now, there's no problem with open carry in VB. My son says he now carries open more than concealed. Do you have an open carry story you'd like to tell? Post it in the comments section if you please. Let us know how you exercise your 2nd Amendment rights.